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Foot organ (no snickers please)

Sweet_Flicka — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:13:16 GMT

The photos are deceptive, it's actually two feet long

http://www.bandoneon-maker.com/footbass.htm

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gopher

OtherMichael — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:45:20 GMT

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/04/gopher-protocol-rebo.html

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modulator demodulator (wouldn't you?)

OtherMichael — Sat, 30 May 2009 12:30:05 GMT

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/27/using-a-1964-modem-t.html

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steamy tools

OtherMichael — Wed, 06 May 2009 17:39:01 GMT

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/05/04/steamvibe-stainless.html

whoa-oh!

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free as in energy (human-powered)

OtherMichael — Tue, 27 May 2008 20:42:44 GMT

nope, not some sort of perpetual-motion scam, there are calories expended -- human sugar & fat is burned (generally).

these two fourm-threads from OLPC-news go over a bunch of different off-the-grip powere generation methods, primarily humna, but some solar.

http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=260.0
http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=2654.0

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to infinity and beyond... via steam flying ships?

OtherMichael — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:46:22 GMT

http://www.infomercantile.com/blog/2009/03/steam-powered-space-ships-1918.html

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tin-can iphone app

OtherMichael — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:44:07 GMT

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/04/28/tin-can-turns-modern.html

"Tin Can" is an iPhone app that converts simple text messages to audio signals, blasting them to other iPhones within range like a squawky analog modem.

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ancient computers = dusty old queens

OtherMichael — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:07:48 GMT

http://www.offworld.com/2009/04/retro-computer-bohemian-rhapsody.html

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WTF? dual-mode 1541-PC floppy found in the wild

OtherMichael — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:16:25 GMT

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/09/29/retro-dualmode-flopp.html

works for both drives

NB: this has been in my bucket-o-links for months. Sorry for the delay.

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C64p as in portable

OtherMichael — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:31:21 GMT

Ben Heckendorn, up to his usual tricks....

http://benheck.com/04-05-2009/commodore-64-original-hardware-laptop

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hey, kids! split atoms in your spare time for Fun, Profit, AND THESE GREAT PRIZES!

OtherMichael — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:02:40 GMT

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/23/page-about-the-gilbe.html

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Huletts ore unloaders working the Cleveland shipyards

Sweet_Flicka — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:49:22 GMT

Apparently they are no longer there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RJfnk2S330

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listening ears (pre-radar)

OtherMichael — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:33:28 GMT

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/03/britains-vast-cement.html

Some being made into Nat'l monument in Britain.

Atom posted on this once, I believe -- but I can't find the thread back.

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from the vaults of paris, flat audio discs

OtherMichael — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:28:53 GMT

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/arts/music/17vaul.html

PARIS — On Dec. 24, 1907, a group of bewhiskered men gathered in the bowels of the Paris Opera to begin a project that by definition they could never see to fruition. First, 24 carefully wrapped wax records were placed inside two lead and iron containers. These were then sealed and locked in a small storage room with instructions that they should remain undisturbed for 100 years.

The man behind this musical time capsule was Alfred Clark, a New Yorker who headed the London-based Gramophone Company and had provided the records. And in truth, once the ceremony was over, he had achieved his primary objective of drawing attention to his company and to the new flat-disc records it was promoting to compete with the better-known cylinders.

“I know of no other case where a commercial firm has obtained so much free publicity as we have,” he wrote to a colleague two days later.

The Paris Opera displayed a more elevated sense of history. Through this selection of opera arias and instrumental pieces, it announced, future generations could discover the musical taste and the quality of sound recording of the early 20th century.

French officials also predicted radical changes in recording technology. So in 1912, when they added 24 records and two more containers to the trove, they included a new hand-cranked gramophone, along with instructions on how it worked and a score of spare stylus needles.

Now the 100 years are up, and after lengthy examination, cleaning and digitizing of the records, EMI, the heir to the Gramophone Company, is reissuing them on three CDs. The collection will be released in France later this month as “Les Urnes de l’Opéra” and in the United States in early April with the English subtitle “Treasures From the Paris Opera Vaults.”

[....]

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dead-end device: Antikythera mechanism

OtherMichael — Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:02:09 GMT

http://blog.wired.com/sterling/2009/02/imaginary-gadge.html

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bouncing off the atmosphere

OtherMichael — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:12:15 GMT

http://englishrussia.com/?p=2285

" Before the satelite communication was implemented Russian military bases located at the low-populated places such as shores of Arctic Ocean or frozen Siberian forests had to communicate somehow. It was practically impossible to connect them with wire because required too much effort, and was not secure at all - just a small cut off of the line would cause days of searching for it at -40 weather.

So Russian army has implemented the network of stations that fired their messages to ionosphere then the message was reflected from it and returned to the Earth surface - right to another station. By connecting those stations in relay chain they could communicate through all 10000 mile wide Russian land instantly."

http://www.ips.gov.au/IPSHosted/INAG/uag-104/text/shirochk.html - THE RUSSIAN HIGH-LATITUDE IONOSONDE NETWORK : ITS HISTORY, CURRENT STATUS AND PERSPECTIVES.

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Kodomo no Kagaku

OtherMichael — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 04:04:07 GMT

growing up in Japan (as we all did) we all read this religiously (as we all did): http://pingmag.jp/2008/05/15/junior-scientist/

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Sector Inspector is still available

OtherMichael — Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:18:11 GMT

http://www.newartisans.com/blog/2009/01/a-day-for-nostalgia.html

for your Apple ][e, if you need it.

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THIS is what we were looking forward to

OtherMichael — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:13:24 GMT

http://www.paleofuture.com/2007/09/french-prints-show-year-2000-1910.html

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unusual records

OtherMichael — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:33:37 GMT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unusual_types_of_gramophone_records

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old, old, old school

east_bay_gray — Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:18:39 GMT

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2008/dec/11/antikythera-first-computer

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phones and keys

OtherMichael — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:19:50 GMT

(mixed messages)
http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/12/09/a-rotary-phone-progr.html - iphone running a rotary-phone programming controlling a rotary phone

where have all the hotel keys gone? http://www.dinosaursandrobots.com/2008/12/what-we-lost-in-transition-to-magnetic.html (long time passing)

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The Future Was Then!

timbo — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:30:55 GMT

http://oldcomputers.net/index.html

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what the future was supposed to look like

OtherMichael — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:55:08 GMT

vintage futurist illustrations: http://wellmedicated.com/inspiration/45-vintage-space-age-illustrations/

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Sandcaster Keyboard

OtherMichael — Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:47:09 GMT

http://www.dansdata.com/gz049.htm

1) now, the original has lots of linky-linky for the serious old-school real-wood etc. bling-bling

2) interestingly, Sandbenders is real tech jargon: sandbender. [IBM] n. A person involved with silicon lithography and the physical
design of chips

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Where, I ask you, are the boutique luxury computers?

William Gibson had the right idea in "Idoru", with his hardware housed by "The Sandbenders" in casings made from coral and turquoise and nut-wood. The stuff inside might be your standard Ono-Sendai cyberdeck, but the exterior should be a joy to behold and to handle. Paint doesn't quite cut it.

I don't know about you, but I spend a large fraction of every day beholding and handling computers, and I could certainly cope with a little coral. Beige plastic and powder-coated steel are cheap and durable, but there's a reason why Rolex don't make any watches out of these materials.

You can get this sort of thing in the car world, you know. Sure, most people settle for normal mainstream reviewed-in-the-newspaper vehicles, for very good reasons, but even then you're not stuck with childproof upholstery and squeaky plastic. You can get walnut and leather if you pay for it. And in the automotive business, there are of course more exotic options.

Spyker in the Netherlands make cars whose interiors look like bordellos for billionaires. Various manufacturers have come up with minimalist open-wheeled road projectiles driven by superbike engines - occasionally two of 'em, sharing a crank. There are jet motorcycles and stretched Humvees and companies that recondition old all-terrain troop transports that can't be killed with a stick. You name it, you can get it, whether you want a road rocket with an upholstered roof or the automotive equivalent of an AK-47.

Sony's "ceramic" PSP, which is actually made from what us materials science professionals call "white plastic", is not exactly what I'm looking for, here.

What all of the weird cars have in common is that they're made for a small market. Annual production of the real oddities may not get into double figures - while Toyota makes more than a million Corollas a year.

But in the computer world, everything's mass produced. Everything. Even companies like Alienware that sell spiffy-looking high-spec machines don't fabricate anything themselves; every part is OEMed by someone else, and if there's some particular case design they use that nobody else has, you can bet that it still won't be made out of mahogany.

If money is no object, of course, you can have that keyboard with the genuine narwhal ivory keys of which you've always dreamed. Just as there are customisers that can make you any kind of car you want pretty much from scratch, there's nothing stopping you rounding up some artisans to make computer components the same way.

Except, of course, for the fact that hiring cabinetmakers for a one-off means you'd end up with a computer that cost at least as much as the abovementioned popular Toyota (and even then the result may not be quite so nice up close).

A few fancy-computer companies are trying to find a middle way, almost invariably with wooden PC bits. Some of the stuff they sell looks pretty lame to me - wooden siding on a steel computer case is not what I'm after, here, and techno-widgets iced out with Swarovski crystals are loved by Paris Hilton, which ought to be all you need to know about them. But wood-cased monitors and keyboards and mice are a step in the right direction (wooden mousemats that look like toilet seats, not so much). And the prices can be right - see Swedx, for instance. Or Wood Contour, for the other end of the price spectrum.

The problem, of course, is that computer gear ages fast. A gloriously retro micarta-Bakelite-and-celluloid laptop will be a lot more retro, in a bad way, in a few years - and you won't be able to retrofit it with new hardware.

Some devices, though, are likely to endure. Input devices, in particular. Plenty of heavy typists hammer away on buckling spring keyboards that haven't changed in 20 years (and yes, some of those 'boards are that old and still working), and the all-surface optical mouse seems to have reached the same evolutionary level, now. Build your pinstripe lacquer mouse or keyboard to last and it ought to stay useful until our computers start talking back to us in Majel Barrett's voice.

When you've got a product lifespan like that, there ought to be a market for a ten-times-as-expensive version with burr walnut and engine turned stainless and glove leather and cocobolo-wood buttons. And, of course, quality switchgear that feels good and lasts, which is something that seems to have evaded the wooden-keyboard crowd so far.

The market for such products would, of course, largely be composed of executive oxygen thieves who're attempting to convince themselves that they're men of distinction. But if the status symbol crowd drive sales of things that I want to own for non-poseur reasons, that's fine with me.

Don't get me wrong; I like a great military-industrial case mod as much as the next geek, and typing on plastic isn't exactly killing me. But if people'll spend thousands of dollars to put shiny spinning things on the outside of their wheels, I find it hard to believe that a keyboard that looks like a Bentley dashboard wouldn't find a market.

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Unplayed by human hands

OtherMichael — Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:59:22 GMT

http://www.warrenellis.com/index.php?p=116

Warren Ellis helps in the search to track down an elusive record of a computer scientist who, in the early 70s, develped a monster computer system to play a pipe organ.

I add some links in the comments. Anybody out there got any more info?

I reminds me of Tim Hawkin's UberOrgan: http://pennsylvania.tribe.net/thread/4a20d006-240d-468b-a960-5181ce777cf6?tribeid=5a8e2a44-2ecc-4cbb-87e0-8f2e3a6563c4&tribeid=5a8e2a44-2ecc-4cbb-87e0-8f2e3a6563c4&r=10424#0f544488-03a4-4811-819e-db41277bec52

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Christmas 2009 shopping guide

OtherMichael — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:53:27 GMT

Not that we have any money, anyway, but...

2600-style USB joystick: http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/11/14/great-moments-in-eup.html contains extra circuit-board traces for extra buttons, etc.

OLPC XO laptop: http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html?ie=UTF8&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&me=A34NLXJLC88VVS http://wiki.laptop.org/go/G1G1_v2_update

Google's Android phone: http://gizmodo.com/5062977/t+mobile-g1-google-android-phone-review http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Android

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64 scripting

OtherMichael — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:54:56 GMT

http://www.pagetable.com/?p=48

Commodore BASIC as a Scripting Language for UNIX and Windows - now Open Source

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gotta get organised...

OtherMichael — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:19:58 GMT

http://englishrussia.com/?p=2109

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Toasters

southmore — Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:26:38 GMT

allright, here arte some toasters for your page

http://public.fotki.com/daedsiluap/toastery/

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Mechanical Elephants

OtherMichael — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:33:45 GMT

http://eastcliffrichard.blogspot.com/2008/05/margates-mechanical-elephant.html

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computers in popular music

OtherMichael — Fri, 02 May 2008 13:11:42 GMT

http://www.monochrom.at/icancounteverystar/

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heaven, I'm in heaven

OtherMichael — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:34:33 GMT

http://www.dinosaursandrobots.com/2008/04/2600-video-game-cartridge-remixes.html

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the paleo-internet (in Belgium!)

OtherMichael — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:53:44 GMT

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/science/17mund.html
via http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=219609

The New York Times - June 17, 2008
The Web Time Forgot, By ALEX WRIGHT

MONS, Belgium — On a fog-drizzled Monday afternoon, this fading medieval city feels like a forgotten place. Apart from the obligatory Gothic cathedral, there is not much to see here except for a tiny storefront museum called the Mundaneum, tucked down a narrow street in the northeast corner of town. It feels like a fittingly secluded home for the legacy of one of technology’s lost pioneers: Paul Otlet.

In 1934, Otlet sketched out plans for a global network of computers (or “electric telescopes,” as he called them) that would allow people to search and browse through millions of interlinked documents, images, audio and video files. He described how people would use the devices to send messages to one another, share files and even congregate in online social networks. He called the whole thing a “réseau,” which might be translated as “network” — or arguably, “web.”

Historians typically trace the origins of the World Wide Web through a lineage of Anglo-American inventors like Vannevar Bush, Doug Engelbart and Ted Nelson. But more than half a century before Tim Berners-Lee released the first Web browser in 1991, Otlet (pronounced ot-LAY) described a networked world where “anyone in his armchair would be able to contemplate the whole of creation.”

Although Otlet’s proto-Web relied on a patchwork of analog technologies like index cards and telegraph machines, it nonetheless anticipated the hyperlinked structure of today’s Web. “This was a Steampunk version of hypertext,” said Kevin Kelly, former editor of Wired, who is writing a book about the future of technology.

Otlet’s vision hinged on the idea of a networked machine that joined documents using symbolic links. While that notion may seem obvious today, in 1934 it marked a conceptual breakthrough. “The hyperlink is one of the most underappreciated inventions of the last century,” Mr. Kelly said. “It will go down with radio in the pantheon of great inventions.”

Today, Otlet and his work have been largely forgotten, even in his native Belgium. Although Otlet enjoyed considerable fame during his lifetime, his legacy fell victim to a series of historical misfortunes — not least of which involved the Nazis marching into Belgium and destroying much of his life’s work.

But in recent years, a small group of researchers has begun to resurrect Otlet’s reputation, republishing some of his writing and raising money to establish the museum and archive in Mons.

As the Mundaneum museum prepares to celebrate its 10th anniversary on Thursday, the curators are planning to release part of the original collection onto the present-day Web. That event will not only be a kind of posthumous vindication for Otlet, but it will also provide an opportunity to re-evaluate his place in Web history. Was the Mundaneum (mun-da-NAY-um) just a historical curiosity — a technological road not taken — or can his vision shed useful light on the Web as we know it?

Although Otlet spent his entire working life in the age before computers, he possessed remarkable foresight into the possibilities of electronic media. Paradoxically, his vision of a paperless future stemmed from a lifelong fascination with printed books.

Otlet, born in 1868, did not set foot in a schoolroom until age 12. His mother died when he was 3; his father was a successful entrepreneur who made a fortune selling trams all over the world. The senior Otlet kept his son out of school, out of a conviction that classrooms stifled children’s natural abilities. Left at home with his tutors and with few friends, the young Otlet lived the life of a solitary bookworm.

When he finally entered secondary school, he made straight for the library. “I could lock myself into the library and peruse the catalog, which for me was a miracle,” he later wrote. Soon after entering school, Otlet took on the role of school librarian.

In the years that followed, Otlet never really left the library. Though his father pushed him into law school, he soon left the bar to return to his first love, books. In 1895, he met a kindred spirit in the future Nobel Prize winner Henri La Fontaine, who joined him in planning to create a master bibliography of all the world’s published knowledge.

Even in 1895, such a project marked an act of colossal intellectual hubris. The two men set out to collect data on every book ever published, along with a vast collection of magazine and journal articles, photographs, posters and all kinds of ephemera — like pamphlets — that libraries typically ignored. Using 3 by 5 index cards (then the state of the art in storage technology), they went on to create a vast paper database with more than 12 million individual entries.

Otlet and LaFontaine eventually persuaded the Belgian government to support their project, proposing to build a “city of knowledge” that would bolster the government’s bid to become host of the League of Nations. The government granted them space in a government building, where Otlet expanded the operation. He hired more staff, and established a fee-based research service that allowed anyone in the world to submit a query via mail or telegraph — a kind of analog search engine. Inquiries poured in from all over the world, more than 1,500 a year, on topics as diverse as boomerangs and Bulgarian finance.

As the Mundaneum evolved, it began to choke on the sheer volume of paper. Otlet started sketching ideas for new technologies to manage the information overload. At one point he posited a kind of paper-based computer, rigged with wheels and spokes that would move documents around on the surface of a desk. Eventually, however, Otlet realized the ultimate answer involved scrapping paper altogether.

Since there was no such thing as electronic data storage in the 1920s, Otlet had to invent it. He started writing at length about the possibility of electronic media storage, culminating in a 1934 book, “Monde,” where he laid out his vision of a “mechanical, collective brain” that would house all the world’s information, made readily accessible over a global telecommunications network.

Tragically, just as Otlet’s vision began to crystallize, the Mundaneum fell on hard times. In 1934, the Belgian government lost interest in the project after losing its bid for the League of Nations headquarters. Otlet moved it to a smaller space, and after financial struggles had to close it to the public.

A handful of staff members kept working on the project, but the dream ended when the Nazis marched through Belgium in 1939. The Germans cleared out the original Mundaneum site to make way for an exhibit of Third Reich art, destroying thousands of boxes filled with index cards. Otlet died in 1944, a broken and soon-to-be-forgotten man.

After Otlet’s death, what survived of the original Mundaneum was left to languish in an old anatomy building of the Free University in the Parc Leopold until 1968, when a young graduate student named W. Boyd Rayward picked up the paper trail. Having read some of Otlet’s work, he traveled to the abandoned office in Brussels, where he discovered a mausoleumlike room full of books and mounds of paper covered in cobwebs.

Mr. Rayward has since helped lead a resurgence of interest in Otlet’s work, a movement that eventually fueled enough interest to prompt development of the Mundaneum museum in Mons.

Today, the new Mundaneum reveals tantalizing glimpses of a Web that might have been. Long rows of catalog drawers hold millions of Otlet’s index cards, pointing the way into a back-room archive brimming with books, posters, photos, newspaper clippings and all kinds of other artifacts. A team of full-time archivists have managed to catalog less than 10 percent of the collection.

The archive’s sheer sprawl reveals both the possibilities and the limits of Otlet’s original vision. Otlet envisioned a team of professional catalogers analyzing every piece of incoming information, a philosophy that runs counter to the bottom-up ethos of the Web.

“I think Otlet would have felt lost with the Internet,” said his biographer, Françoise Levie. Even with a small army of professional librarians, the original Mundaneum could never have accommodated the sheer volume of information produced on the Web today.

“I don’t think it could have scaled up,” Mr. Rayward said. “It couldn’t even scale up to meet the demands of the paper-based world he was living in.”

Those limitations notwithstanding, Otlet’s version of hypertext held a few important advantages over today’s Web. For one thing, he saw a smarter kind of hyperlink. Whereas links on the Web today serve as a kind of mute bond between documents, Otlet envisioned links that carried meaning by, for example, annotating if particular documents agreed or disagreed with each other. That facility is notably lacking in the dumb logic of modern hyperlinks.

Otlet also saw the possibilities of social networks, of letting users “participate, applaud, give ovations, sing in the chorus.” While he very likely would have been flummoxed by the anything-goes environment of Facebook or MySpace, Otlet saw some of the more productive aspects of social networking — the ability to trade messages, participate in discussions and work together to collect and organize documents.

Some scholars believe Otlet also foresaw something like the Semantic Web, the emerging framework for subject-centric computing that has been gaining traction among computer scientists like Mr. Berners-Lee. Like the Semantic Web, the Mundaneum aspired not just to draw static links between documents, but also to map out conceptual relationships between facts and ideas. “The Semantic Web is rather Otlet-ish,” said Michael Buckland, a professor at the School of Information at the University of California, Berkeley.

Critics of the Semantic Web say it relies too heavily on expert programmers to create ontologies (formalized descriptions of concepts and relationships) that will let computers exchange data with one another more easily. The Semantic Web “may be useful, but it is bound to fail,” Dr. Buckland said, adding, “It doesn’t scale because nobody will provide enough labor to build it.”

The same criticism could have been leveled against the Mundaneum. Just as Otlet’s vision required a group of trained catalogers to classify the world’s knowledge, so the Semantic Web hinges on an elite class of programmers to formulate descriptions for a potentially vast range of information. For those who advocate such labor-intensive data schemes, the fate of the Mundaneum may offer a cautionary tale.

The curators of today’s Mundaneum hope the museum avoids its predecessor’s fate. Although the museum has consistently managed to secure financing, it struggles to attract visitors.

“The problem is that no one knows the story of the Mundaneum,” said the lead archivist, Stéphanie Manfroid. “People are not necessarily excited to go see an archive. It’s like, would you rather go see the latest ‘Star Wars’ movie, or would you rather go see a giant card catalog?”

Striving to broaden its appeal, the museum stages regular exhibits of posters, photographs and contemporary art. And while only a trickle of tourists make their way to the little museum in Mons, the town may yet find its way onto the technological history map. Later this year, a new corporate citizen plans to open a data center on the edge of town: Google.

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still crazy after all these years

OtherMichael — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:18:00 GMT

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/07/10/the-first-ever-commo.html - C64 LAN PARTY

wooo!

also of interest: http://stringcanphone.tribe.net/thread/26536691-21af-469f-9061-5ce23ae937fe - commodore Pet thread

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excitement, thrills, adventure!

OtherMichael — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:54:17 GMT

http://www.atariarchives.org/adventure/

Creating Adventure Games on your computer, by Tim Hartnell

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apple one, basically

OtherMichael — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:35:09 GMT

http://www.pagetable.com/?p=32

BASIC reconstructed from a tape. boo-ya!

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1975: the future is NOW (says IBM)

OtherMichael — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:32:17 GMT

in this DOUBLE-PLUS-GOOD really phyical SLIDESHOW: http://www.squareamerica.com/ib.htm

that is to say - no jpegs, no powerpoint, no digital projector

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they're made of wood

OtherMichael — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:43:06 GMT

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/07/28/wooden-geared-contra.html

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measuring history

OtherMichael — Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:05:12 GMT

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/multimedia/2008/08/gallery_electrical_meter - electrical metering, throughout the ages (electrified ages, anyway)

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Tried to make a string can telephone this weekend....

Sweet_Flicka — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 01:52:47 GMT

and it didn't work. :(

Two tin cans, fishing line, what am I missing?

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Computer ads

OtherMichael — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:19:50 GMT

thread for ads, instead of 50-thousand lost threads

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80-s style hackers at MySpace (in your extended network)

OtherMichael — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:11:16 GMT

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=290856

Howdy, Tom!

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speed dial

east_bay_gray — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:17:44 GMT

http://ingeniusblog.com/2007/09/06/an-ancient-phone-dialer-application-card-callmaker/

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$100 laptop update thread

OtherMichael — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:43:42 GMT

as I see fit to add in....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%24100_laptop

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Videogame Ads 1982

OtherMichael — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:59:34 GMT

from BoingBoing: http://www.flickr.com/photos/78362749@N00/sets/1352356/

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c30 c60 c90 -- GO!

OtherMichael — Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:33:41 GMT

http://www.polaralert.com/exhibition/top100/index.html

"Top" 100 cassette labels.

found via Veer: http://www.veer.com/ideas/

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t-mail

OtherMichael — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:12:50 GMT

http://mrlincolnstmails.com/index.php - how Abraham Lincoln used the telegraph to win the Civil War

see also: http://stringcanphone.tribe.net/photos/a36f1c2c-c08d-428e-bc5e-cc3fc43c2bb9

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How to construct a license-free phone

OtherMichael — Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:33:37 GMT

This science activity allows you to
"construct a license free 'string telephone' from the provided materials" and strongly encourages you to use Morse Code. ???.

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War Games, and the IMSAI 8080

OtherMichael — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:00:39 GMT

http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/magazine/16-08/ff_wargames

http://www.imsai.net/

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the orygun cowboys: six-gun simulators with live-ammo

OtherMichael — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:19:29 GMT

http://www.webcomicsnation.com/culturepulp/culturepulp/series.php?view=archive&chapter=30921

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Mechanical Television & the Nipkow Disk

OtherMichael — Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:15:00 GMT

Mechanical Television: What Was It Like?
Nice down-to-Earth explanation makes it more interesting....
http://my.core.com/~jpressel/mtv_exp/mtv_exp.htm

John Logie Baird, inventor:
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blbaird.htm

some old photos, nice layout:
http://www.mztv.com/mech1.html

"Wacky" pictures of watching early mechanical TV by arc-lamp:
http://www.lateralscience.co.uk/television/mechTV2.html

modern-day "Art" re-creation:
http://www.photonics.com/spectra/applications/XQ/ASP/aoaid.190/QX/read.htm

longish text history:
http://www.vectorsite.net/ttv1.html

Stereoscopic Mechanical TV IN COLOR--hobbyist runs riot:
http://www.radiocraft.co.uk/3dcolour.htm

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home taping is... well, earlier than I thought

OtherMichael — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:55:07 GMT

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/06/30/cartivision-70s-home.html

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SteamBoy (from Ninetendo)

OtherMichael — Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:06:21 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIgsqYJmtJs&eurl=

A 1936-38 Jensen steam engine (flywheels from a later models are used in this video) runs a small generator that puts out the 3VDC needed to run a Gameboy color.

Now all he has to do is replace the chips with tubes, and I'll be happy!

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bimbo boxes

OtherMichael — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:06:12 GMT

http://www.dinosaursandrobots.com/2008/06/bimbo-box-on-streets-of-cologne-germany.html

my God, it's full of.... MONKEYS?!???

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make way for the blimps

OtherMichael — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:39:30 GMT

http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/06/its-not-going-t.html

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Victrola Favorites

OtherMichael — Tue, 27 May 2008 17:29:29 GMT

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/05/27/victrola-favorites-d.html

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vintage tech in use

OtherMichael — Wed, 21 May 2008 14:56:46 GMT

http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/oldtech

sweet.

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control

OtherMichael — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:07:13 GMT

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/28/dial-and-wire-overlo.html

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8-bit joy

OtherMichael — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:22:43 GMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1WWpKEPdT4

I just can't quit!

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forbidden fruit?

OtherMichael — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:18:44 GMT

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/14/second-life-on-an-ap.html

Second Life, my friends. On an apple ][c

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Megnetic Records

OtherMichael — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:18:21 GMT

or something like that.

http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2008/01/ebay-of-day-magnetic-record-player.html

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Wow: Molten Core

OtherMichael — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:45:46 GMT

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/moltencore/

watch the video, check out the concept vs screenshots

Irvine, Calif. -- April 1, 2008 -- Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. announces its long-awaited return to console gaming with World of Warcraft: The Molten Core™, a spinoff of the 40-person raid dungeon from its award-winning massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG), World of Warcraft®. World of Warcraft: The Molten Core will allow players to experience the excitement of the hit raid dungeon in a completely new format, with new challenges and new rewards.

"Blizzard got its start in console gaming, and we've always been excited about returning to this arena," stated Mike Morhaime, CEO and cofounder of Blizzard Entertainment. "Additionally, we've wanted to reintroduce the 40-player raid dungeon experience for some time. With World of Warcraft: The Molten Core, we're able to do both."

World of Warcraft: The Molten Core will include single-player and multiplayer versions, fully loaded with nine different shapes (and possibly colors) representing the current World of Warcraft character classes. A future expansion will introduce a tenth shape, representing the death knight hero class. Blizzard also plans to include a full-featured voice-chat system, as well as a fully customizable user interface that allows players to personalize their joystick button with several different functions. A free attunement cartridge rounds out the offering, providing instant access to the complete World of Warcraft: The Molten Core entertainment experience.

Blizzard's World of Warcraft: The Molten Core Collector's Edition, also announced today, will include tinted cellophane TV overlays, further increasing the array of colors available to players. Additional Collector's Edition features, as well as details on the upcoming World of Warcraft: The Molten Core beta test, will be revealed closer to release. World of Warcraft: The Molten Core will initially be available for the Atari 2600 platform, with plans for additional console systems to be announced in the near future.

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4-4

OtherMichael — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:29:24 GMT

a day that will live in... infamy?

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/04/dayintech_0404

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Push the Button

OtherMichael — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:40:23 GMT

a user-interface blog: http://www.historyofthebutton.com/

dig through the archives!

http://www.historyofthebutton.com/2006/12/11/1963-pushbutton-telephone/

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sisters are spinning it for themselves. and faster, too

OtherMichael — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:47:56 GMT

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/03/21/shellac-sisters-djs.html
http://www.shellacsisters.co.uk/

so, yeah, an alternate title was "faster, pussycat" but I just couldn't get it to work.

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ASCII-CAM

OtherMichael — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:24:09 GMT

http://www.krazydad.com/blog/2008/02/23/instant-ascii-cam/

when you just GOTTA be online, but can't stand them newfangled things

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weird music boxes

OtherMichael — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:11:18 GMT

http://tribes.tribe.net/weirdmusicboxes

new tribe!

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headphone cool

OtherMichael — Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:01:40 GMT

http://steampunkworkshop.com/g-headphones.shtml

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african sugar-yeast generator

OtherMichael — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:04:35 GMT

http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/01/23/africa-smallscale-ge.html

"The rotor moves slowly most of the times but does pick up at certain intervals. This process continues for many hours. Since the rotor is quite heavy (and hence more inertia) a small geared DC motor can be connected to the rotor to generate power for cell phones, $100 laptops, and other things in Africa. People can leave this thing to charge their phones/$100 laptops overnight."

see also http://stringcanphone.tribe.net/thread/12b42c95-f580-4070-bb79-3b56513e23e4

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Vintage Computer Festival

OtherMichael — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:00:40 GMT

http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2346-10878_11-174089.html?tag=nl.e138

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the soviet jet-train that once was, almost

OtherMichael — Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:08:02 GMT

http://englishrussia.com/?p=1316

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Apple's nPhone

OtherMichael — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:37:29 GMT

make an Apple Newton into a (mostly) functioning cell-phone: http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2007/10/03/hacking-the-newton-i.html

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hey kids, what time is it?

OtherMichael — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:49:59 GMT

well, don't ask me: http://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/29/reflections-on-atts.html

the time-phone is no more.

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storage tubes

OtherMichael — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:22:01 GMT

http://www.cca.org/vector/

To eliminate flicker, a version of the vector display had a second gun that continuously bathed already-drawn lines, keeping them lit. A side-effect was the inability to erase individual items.

multicolor: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel5/16/31554/01472291.pdf?arnumber=1472291

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vintage electronic games

OtherMichael — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:48:45 GMT

a guide, when they weren't vintage, and you didn't know what that word meant, anyway: http://blogs.sun.com/ChrisM/entry/vintage_guide_to_computer_and

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handhelds

OtherMichael — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:22:00 GMT

death of the psion: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/26/psion_special/

via http://www.thingsmagazine.net/2007_06_01_oldthings.htm#2946617847776122276 (with some more linkages)

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wind it up

OtherMichael — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:14:32 GMT

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/10/windup_mp3video_play.html

hand-crank mp3 player, oh-yeah!

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dish

OtherMichael — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:49:50 GMT

http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/07/fun-with-satellite-dishes.html

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Lost City

OtherMichael — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:07:22 GMT

no updates in a while (and sporadic before), but good to look at (from one of our own): http://thingsthatwere.blogspot.com/

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super heterodyne

OtherMichael — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:24:44 GMT

http://www.retrothing.com/2007/07/mercury-super-t.html

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what's in there, anyway?

OtherMichael — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:34:40 GMT

1990 HP Laser Printer: http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2346-22_11-63115-1.html

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Analog Computers

OtherMichael — Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:45:20 GMT

http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog/

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ancient robots (recreated)

OtherMichael — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:49:24 GMT

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2007/07/programmable-robot-from-60ad.html

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sticks + string = power

OtherMichael — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:03:54 GMT

http://williamkamkwamba.typepad.com/williamkamkwamba/2007/06/retrofitting-an.html

homebrew wind power.

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sketchy

OtherMichael — Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:01:03 GMT

http://etchasketchist.blogspot.com/

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Backyard Ballistics

Sweet_Flicka — Thu, 10 May 2007 21:01:10 GMT

How to shoot various substances through the air with common household materials. you'll find a variety of spud guns, punkin chunkers, tennis ball cannons, and More.

It's not really obsolete tech but I thought it might appeal to some of you all... especially the little boys out there.

http://users.frii.com/bsimon/backyard.html

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the future ain't what i used to be

OtherMichael — Wed, 30 May 2007 03:04:47 GMT

'specially cyberwarfare: http://globalnerdy.com/2007/05/29/cyberwar-aint-what-it-used-to-be/

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photos in spaaaaace

OtherMichael — Fri, 04 May 2007 20:24:13 GMT

http://www.airspacemag.com/issues/2007/december-january/FEATURE-FirstPhoto.php?page=1

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Doris Norton and her Personal Computer (make blips and bleeps)

OtherMichael — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:24:18 GMT

http://mutant-sounds.blogspot.com/2007/04/doris-norton-personal.html
http://mutant-sounds.blogspot.com/2007/04/doris-norton-artificial.html

"Doris is the wife of Antonio Bartoccetti (Antonius Rex and Jacula) and the mother of Anthony Bartoccetti,best known as Rexanthony. During the 80's she was sponsored by Apple Computer,and made a music program for IBM USA.She is the "voice" in Jacula and Antonius Rex LPs.Early experimenta/electro synth pop music all through."

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human powered

OtherMichael — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:40:47 GMT

http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/009361.php

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C64 & PETs

OtherMichael — Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:57:22 GMT

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20061202.gtcommodore02/BNStory/Technology/

They adore their 64s
For a fervent crowd of Commodore loyalists, the 1980s computers are as good as new

IAN DAFFERN

Special to The Globe and Mail

In a church basement on a Thursday night, a robust middle-aged fellow with thick glasses hammers the keys of a beige Commodore 64. Tom Luff is showing off a version of Monopoly. "Okay, St. Charles Place," he says, staring at a screen where the game board appears in chunky primary colours. "This will cost me $104. . . . Let's see if it puts it up for auction. Oh, it didn't. Son of a gun!"

The payoff never comes -- but for Mr. Luff's audience of about a dozen men, seeing an unfamiliar game on the 1980s computer is enough of a reward. They're members of the Toronto PET User's Group, a group of Commodore loyalists that have stuck with their favourite computers as they moved from the cutting edge of the 1970s to the dustbin of computer history.

Once a month, the group gathers to swap files, share hacking techniques and troubleshoot several generations of Commodore systems, from the early PET (or Personal Electronic Transactor, a clunky green-screened desktop) to the VIC-20 and the more sophisticated 64 and Amiga. Mr. Luff is the president; it says so on his cards, printed neatly on an archaic dot-matrix printer. "Our main motto is to . . . support and be there for anyone who's new to the market," he says.

At this meeting, one such young man, Kirk Zathey, 15, sits to the side listening keenly in a black leather jacket. Then there's Leif Bloomquist, a neatly assembled thirtysomething. "I'm an engineer, and I've got a strong sense of wanting to tinker with stuff," Mr. Bloomquist says. "The old computers are a fun and cheap way to tinker with things. And if you blow it up, you can find a replacement on eBay for like five bucks."

But while there's a trickle of new members, the group on the whole is in a slow decline. TPUG was founded in 1979, and at its height in the mid-eighties, Mr. Luff says, it had more than 20,000 members. Its convention, the World of Commodore, was held in the International Centre. At this year's convention, taking place this weekend at Alderwood United Church in Etobicoke, they don't expect to see more than 100 attendees. (And tonight they have to be out in time to clean up for a Sunday-school class.)

It's a strange fate for a computer that in the eighties was nearly ubiquitous. Commodore's PCs were hugely successful, affordably priced at around $600 and popular for games and business use. The 64 still holds the Guinness World Record for sales of a personal computer: 17 million units in its long lifespan from 1982 to 1994. The original World of Commodore convention was run by the company, until bad business moves and the onslaught of affordable IBM PCs sent it into bankruptcy. But three years ago, the members of TPUG decided to revive the convention -- albeit on a smaller scale.

Many are long-standing Commodore enthusiasts, dedicated members from the past who are still seeking new applications for their archaic computers. Nostalgia and a sense of computer-whiz community has kept them going for nearly 30 years. There's a friendly atmosphere to the meeting, as members crack jokes decipherable only to the true 8-bit fans.

"It's obviously a lot of camaraderie," Mr. Bloomquist says. He hadn't heard of TPUG before 2003, but his own tinkering earned him not only a welcome to the group but the title of webmaster. "One thing I always wanted to do was hook my 64 up to the Internet," he explains, "and now I actually have the design and engineering background to do it. So I did it." And he found he wasn't the only one; soon, an army of other Commodore 64s made contact with his special Web server. "Within a week, I had 2,000 callers," he says.

Going online with a decades-old computer -- today's $600 desktops are thousands of times more powerful -- is no small feat, and the motivation for Mr. Bloomquist and others is a mix of novelty and nostalgia. Computer fans are enjoying the eighties revival as much as anybody. For the generation born in the seventies, computers and gaming are culture. Machines like the C64, which had one of the largest game catalogues of the decade, are a big part of their past, and now they want to reclaim it.

Many use emulator programs, software that can translate the original code of beloved titles into versions they can play on a current PC. But for others, there's nothing like the tactile experience of an original machine. If they're lucky, it means dusting off the old machine from their basement; others seek them out from garage sales or on eBay.

After the meeting, as a howling Boy Scout troop clears out of the church's gymnasium, member John Easton describes the upcoming show. He imagines it filled with tables, vendors, and televisions airing programs like Bits and Bytes, an eighties computer show on TVOntario that was hosted by Luba Goy. As well as being a volunteer at the church where they meet, Mr. Easton is one of TPUG's original members and, at a sprightly 74, also one of the oldest. He first got started on the monochromatic green screen of the Commodore Pet through his work at the Ministry of Education.

"So we've still got a PET library, although very few people are looking for things like that any more," he says. "But the PETs did wonderful things. This whole church ran on PETs for years."

Back in the meeting room, members are still chatting and arguing over decades-old lines of code. Mr. Easton shakes his head. "This always happens. I have to kick them out now, and then they'll go and talk in the parking lot for an hour!"

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long game time

OtherMichael — Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:25:13 GMT

http://www.rosemariefiore.com/pages.php?content=gallery.php&navGallID=12

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Other tribes

OtherMichael — Mon, 05 Feb 2007 14:22:46 GMT

http://amiga.tribe.net/ - For all fans and users of Commodore-Amiga computers. dead is an accurate term.
http://apple2.tribe.net/ - Current and former Apple II microcomputer owners. had a post yesterday; first one in over a year.
http://atari.tribe.net/ - a tribe for all things atari... dead.
http://bbs.tribe.net/ - A tribe for all of us to remember the good old days of the single modem BBS. not active.

well, it's a start.

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4-bit computer

OtherMichael — Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:19:18 GMT

http://www.vttoth.com/vicproc.htm

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hi/lo-tech e-paper???

OtherMichael — Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:43:46 GMT

http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/plotbot

What do you get when you mix a 1970's style analog chart recorder, an 8-bit microcontroller, and a Fisher-Price Doodle Pro? A truly 21st century toy: An analog PlotBot with e-paper display technology!

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what StringCanPhone is reading

OtherMichael — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:55:52 GMT

a link to blogs that Make Our Day

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Desolation Row

OtherMichael — Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:21:46 GMT

http://paleo-future.blogspot.com/2007/02/desolation-row.html

well, I think it belongs in here, somewhow.

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chipmusic for kraftwerk

OtherMichael — Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:44:18 GMT

http://www.retrothing.com/2007/02/review_8bit_ope.html

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At last!

ShannonQ — Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:55:50 GMT

http://www.dvdrewinder.com/index.php?main_page=product_reviews_info&products_id=1&reviews_id=9&zenid=0876278cefe81c7fa7f754cd4568b416

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